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		<title>By: Rick McGrath</title>
		<link>http://www.ballardian.com/defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-1#comment-4404</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t expecting a response, simon... I was just looking at the exercise from a marketing PoV... you expect an adman to be concerned about content over the media form? and speaking of that, I&#039;d say twitter, in mcluhan terms, is a &quot;cool&quot; medium with its roots in dialogue... an alternative to the &quot;hot&quot; lectures of ballardian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t expecting a response, simon&#8230; I was just looking at the exercise from a marketing PoV&#8230; you expect an adman to be concerned about content over the media form? and speaking of that, I&#8217;d say twitter, in mcluhan terms, is a &#8220;cool&#8221; medium with its roots in dialogue&#8230; an alternative to the &#8220;hot&#8221; lectures of ballardian</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Sellars</title>
		<link>http://www.ballardian.com/defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-1#comment-4402</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Sellars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, you say: &quot;It&#039;s not Twitter itself that&#039;s the object of my occasional pisstaking, but the daft hype about it, from individuals and the mass media, which often seems to be terribly self-righteous and overly defensive.&quot;

I&#039;m against that, too - let&#039;s leave it at that, eh? None of the people I follow on Twitter indulge in such nonsense, and most use it as a tool for work and/or creativity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, you say: &#8220;It&#8217;s not Twitter itself that&#8217;s the object of my occasional pisstaking, but the daft hype about it, from individuals and the mass media, which often seems to be terribly self-righteous and overly defensive.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m against that, too &#8211; let&#8217;s leave it at that, eh? None of the people I follow on Twitter indulge in such nonsense, and most use it as a tool for work and/or creativity.</p>
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		<title>By: TimC</title>
		<link>http://www.ballardian.com/defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-1#comment-4401</link>
		<dc:creator>TimC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should probably clarify that it&#039;s not Twitter itself that&#039;s the object of my occasional pisstaking, but the daft hype about it, from individuals and the mass media, which often seems to be terribly self-righteous and overly defensive. I&#039;ve been through enough IT fads and bubbles over the past three decades to be a little sceptical whenever something&#039;s acclaimed as the best thing since sliced bulletin boards. Also, as Simon identifies, I&#039;m a natural curmudgeon. 

And bloody hell, 30 years since I first put finger to touch-sensitive keyboard. Though I&#039;m slightly younger than Simon, I think.

I am a mild user of Twitter (@HalifaxSlasher), though I mostly started it just as a way of keeping tabs on a few chums who, to varying degrees, ceased communicating by other media. It&#039;s an occasionally diverting vehicle for mimbling and spleen-venting, I suppose. Can&#039;t get that excited about it either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should probably clarify that it&#8217;s not Twitter itself that&#8217;s the object of my occasional pisstaking, but the daft hype about it, from individuals and the mass media, which often seems to be terribly self-righteous and overly defensive. I&#8217;ve been through enough IT fads and bubbles over the past three decades to be a little sceptical whenever something&#8217;s acclaimed as the best thing since sliced bulletin boards. Also, as Simon identifies, I&#8217;m a natural curmudgeon. </p>
<p>And bloody hell, 30 years since I first put finger to touch-sensitive keyboard. Though I&#8217;m slightly younger than Simon, I think.</p>
<p>I am a mild user of Twitter (@HalifaxSlasher), though I mostly started it just as a way of keeping tabs on a few chums who, to varying degrees, ceased communicating by other media. It&#8217;s an occasionally diverting vehicle for mimbling and spleen-venting, I suppose. Can&#8217;t get that excited about it either way.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Sellars</title>
		<link>http://www.ballardian.com/defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-1#comment-4400</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Sellars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you honestly want me to respond to that, Rick, given my comments above?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you honestly want me to respond to that, Rick, given my comments above?</p>
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		<title>By: Rick McGrath</title>
		<link>http://www.ballardian.com/defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-1#comment-4399</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in the personal economic sphere, twitter is indispensable as a marketing tool uniquely  positioned for brand repetition... if Tim is right, and 40,000 words divided by 140 characters is 2,000 posts (is that right? damn my englit math!) then the sellars marque was ejaculated into the group consciousness on average around 6 times a day, every day of 2009. wank on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in the personal economic sphere, twitter is indispensable as a marketing tool uniquely  positioned for brand repetition&#8230; if Tim is right, and 40,000 words divided by 140 characters is 2,000 posts (is that right? damn my englit math!) then the sellars marque was ejaculated into the group consciousness on average around 6 times a day, every day of 2009. wank on!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Sellars</title>
		<link>http://www.ballardian.com/defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-1#comment-4398</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Sellars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha, &quot;tossed off&quot;. Funny the first time, but subsequently a surprising (and boring) reflex action from a smart man such as yourself. In any case, I&#039;m responding to more of a general sense of twitter as portrayed in the media. As I said, your comment galvanised me into finally writing some of my thoughts about that. Also, I simply want to post links for people who don&#039;t use Twitter, rather than alienating readers by insisting they check the Twitter feed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha, &#8220;tossed off&#8221;. Funny the first time, but subsequently a surprising (and boring) reflex action from a smart man such as yourself. In any case, I&#8217;m responding to more of a general sense of twitter as portrayed in the media. As I said, your comment galvanised me into finally writing some of my thoughts about that. Also, I simply want to post links for people who don&#8217;t use Twitter, rather than alienating readers by insisting they check the Twitter feed.</p>
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		<title>By: TimC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TimC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, don&#039;t take my comment too personally - it was just something I tossed off between jobs. 

It might be worth a more serious discussion sometime, when we can both summon more than 140 characters at a time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, don&#8217;t take my comment too personally &#8211; it was just something I tossed off between jobs. </p>
<p>It might be worth a more serious discussion sometime, when we can both summon more than 140 characters at a time.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Sellars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Sellars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Tina, the &#039;wanking&#039; bit was not me... That was Mr Tim Chapman, identified in comment #4. And I agree with what you write: it&#039;s a pulsing, evolving news source for me. And yes, unplugging is sometimes vital! Although I have used it in the background of my work as an info transmitter/receiver of works in progress...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Tina, the &#8216;wanking&#8217; bit was not me&#8230; That was Mr Tim Chapman, identified in comment #4. And I agree with what you write: it&#8217;s a pulsing, evolving news source for me. And yes, unplugging is sometimes vital! Although I have used it in the background of my work as an info transmitter/receiver of works in progress&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Sellars</title>
		<link>http://www.ballardian.com/defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-1#comment-4395</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Sellars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, he hath outed himself! Well, Tim, you galvanised me into writing something I&#039;ve been meaning to get down for a while. So, thanks, you old curmudgeon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, he hath outed himself! Well, Tim, you galvanised me into writing something I&#8217;ve been meaning to get down for a while. So, thanks, you old curmudgeon.</p>
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		<title>By: TimC</title>
		<link>http://www.ballardian.com/defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-1#comment-4393</link>
		<dc:creator>TimC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re going to recycle my witticisms, I want credit, damn it! 

Otherwise, tish. And keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re going to recycle my witticisms, I want credit, damn it! </p>
<p>Otherwise, tish. And keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Louise</title>
		<link>http://www.ballardian.com/defending-the-indefensible/comment-page-1#comment-4392</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside fromt the wanking part, I was suprised to read many of my own thoughts in your words. I posted a comment yesterday on a blog 
( http://crowvoicejournal.blogspot.com/2009/11/to-tweet-or-not-to-tweet.html ) that I thought echoed some of what you were thinking...

&quot;I use Twitter and have found it to be a surprising place/thing. Beyond mundane alerts of sandwich eating and celeb watching are communities growing, dividing, merging and all the time, pulsing information like waves.

Information that catches me, takes me with it to other communities that temporarily gather about the subject before moving on to the next. What does this achieve and is it even meant to achieve anything, is debated and largely depends on what Twitter has washed over you personally. 

For me... I (along with one of those temporary communities that gathered about the recent London protests), alerted &#039;Tweeting&#039; news teams (mainstream press) to parts of the protest that were in trouble. I watched the evidence on the news that evening.

Another wave from within this particular Twitter-stream lead to a clustering of those who wanted truth about Ian Tomlinson who died after an encounter with the police at the protests. This continued Twitter-chatter kept the story fresh and did not allow for the lies that were officially released at the time, to be believed.

I follow links if they look enlightening or amusing and I follow people who I encounter along the way – opening up my information base to other voices that broaden my view. I get to see the same world events unfold through the eyes of all those who are watching too and sharing their perspective in real-time. Fascinating.

Time consuming though… sometimes unplugging is vital. 

Will it sell books? Unsure.

January 9, 2010 1:16 PM&quot;

..........................................................

I don&#039;t know where Twitter is heading or if it has definable direction but it is certainly fascinating to watch evolve.

Namaste,
Tina Louise
@tinalouiseUK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside fromt the wanking part, I was suprised to read many of my own thoughts in your words. I posted a comment yesterday on a blog<br />
( <a href="http://crowvoicejournal.blogspot.com/2009/11/to-tweet-or-not-to-tweet.html" rel="nofollow">http://crowvoicejournal.blogspot.com/2009/11/to-tweet-or-not-to-tweet.html</a> ) that I thought echoed some of what you were thinking&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I use Twitter and have found it to be a surprising place/thing. Beyond mundane alerts of sandwich eating and celeb watching are communities growing, dividing, merging and all the time, pulsing information like waves.</p>
<p>Information that catches me, takes me with it to other communities that temporarily gather about the subject before moving on to the next. What does this achieve and is it even meant to achieve anything, is debated and largely depends on what Twitter has washed over you personally. </p>
<p>For me&#8230; I (along with one of those temporary communities that gathered about the recent London protests), alerted &#8216;Tweeting&#8217; news teams (mainstream press) to parts of the protest that were in trouble. I watched the evidence on the news that evening.</p>
<p>Another wave from within this particular Twitter-stream lead to a clustering of those who wanted truth about Ian Tomlinson who died after an encounter with the police at the protests. This continued Twitter-chatter kept the story fresh and did not allow for the lies that were officially released at the time, to be believed.</p>
<p>I follow links if they look enlightening or amusing and I follow people who I encounter along the way – opening up my information base to other voices that broaden my view. I get to see the same world events unfold through the eyes of all those who are watching too and sharing their perspective in real-time. Fascinating.</p>
<p>Time consuming though… sometimes unplugging is vital. </p>
<p>Will it sell books? Unsure.</p>
<p>January 9, 2010 1:16 PM&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where Twitter is heading or if it has definable direction but it is certainly fascinating to watch evolve.</p>
<p>Namaste,<br />
Tina Louise<br />
@tinalouiseUK</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Sellars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Sellars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for reminding me of that quote, johnny - highly apt, and i&#039;ve included it at the start of the post. cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for reminding me of that quote, johnny &#8211; highly apt, and i&#8217;ve included it at the start of the post. cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: johnny strike</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnny strike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science and technology multiply around us. To an increasing extent they dictate the languages in which we speak and think. Either we use those languages, or we remain mute. 
J. G. Ballard</description>
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J. G. Ballard</p>
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