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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;This most astonishing penumbra&#8217;: Will Self on J.G. Ballard</title>
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		<title>By: Plastic Futures &#124; Scale + Laughter and Self + Ballard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plastic Futures &#124; Scale + Laughter and Self + Ballard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will Self offers a tribute to his &#8220;mentor&#8221; J. G. Ballard Also, an interview with Will Self about Ballard.  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Roth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Roth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thoroughly enjoyed The Sweet Smell of Psychosis, though it&#039;s nearly a short story at around 90 pages. Hilarious and disturbing. I also got a copy of Great Apes, looking forward to reading that.

The first Ballard novel I ever read was Crash, I don&#039;t think I would recommend people start there. If you must start with a novel, then Concrete Island would be my advice. Otherwise, start with earlier short stories, possibly Vermilion Sands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thoroughly enjoyed The Sweet Smell of Psychosis, though it&#8217;s nearly a short story at around 90 pages. Hilarious and disturbing. I also got a copy of Great Apes, looking forward to reading that.</p>
<p>The first Ballard novel I ever read was Crash, I don&#8217;t think I would recommend people start there. If you must start with a novel, then Concrete Island would be my advice. Otherwise, start with earlier short stories, possibly Vermilion Sands.</p>
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		<title>By: thediacritic</title>
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		<dc:creator>thediacritic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point covered already I know but the execution alone of Will Self&#039;s novel Great Apes warrants its singling out. Simply put is his most readable novel - and very fucking funny to boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point covered already I know but the execution alone of Will Self&#8217;s novel Great Apes warrants its singling out. Simply put is his most readable novel &#8211; and very fucking funny to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Will Self&#039;s short stories and journalism. The Feeding Frenzy colelciton is an excellent and accesible starting point. As for his novels, like some of the other posters, I tend to find them a bit heavy going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Will Self&#8217;s short stories and journalism. The Feeding Frenzy colelciton is an excellent and accesible starting point. As for his novels, like some of the other posters, I tend to find them a bit heavy going.</p>
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		<title>By: johnny strike</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnny strike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i take it back. the book i read, or mostly read was: the quantity theory of insanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i take it back. the book i read, or mostly read was: the quantity theory of insanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Rae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Self is pretentious and annoying and throws polysyllabic 50-cent words around to cover up literary and intellectual insecurity, but he does do a great interview with Ballard in Junk Mail that I would recommend anybody read. But read the British version, cos the American version (the only reason I bought the book was for this interview, and Self&#039;s musings on Burroughs) is intolerably hacked to hell and back.

G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self is pretentious and annoying and throws polysyllabic 50-cent words around to cover up literary and intellectual insecurity, but he does do a great interview with Ballard in Junk Mail that I would recommend anybody read. But read the British version, cos the American version (the only reason I bought the book was for this interview, and Self&#8217;s musings on Burroughs) is intolerably hacked to hell and back.</p>
<p>G.</p>
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		<title>By: johnny strike</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnny strike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i did read, my idea of fun, or most of it, and i thought it was pretty good. i remember one story about working in a psych word that was excellent. but then i tried the novels, and as bosse de nage stated i too found them just too much hard work (you could say that that&#039;s my problem and not self&#039;s, and i wouldn&#039;t argue with you). and there&#039;s his intro to burroughs&#039; junky which i find long winded and problematic. he really loses me when he claims that dolophine was named after hitler. just a tad of research would have shown him that this is a myth, but maybe he didn&#039;t care, and liked the sensational quality.
http://will-self.com/2006/01/11/junky-by-william-s-burroughs-preface-to-the-penguin-2002-edition/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i did read, my idea of fun, or most of it, and i thought it was pretty good. i remember one story about working in a psych word that was excellent. but then i tried the novels, and as bosse de nage stated i too found them just too much hard work (you could say that that&#8217;s my problem and not self&#8217;s, and i wouldn&#8217;t argue with you). and there&#8217;s his intro to burroughs&#8217; junky which i find long winded and problematic. he really loses me when he claims that dolophine was named after hitler. just a tad of research would have shown him that this is a myth, but maybe he didn&#8217;t care, and liked the sensational quality.<br />
<a href="http://will-self.com/2006/01/11/junky-by-william-s-burroughs-preface-to-the-penguin-2002-edition/" rel="nofollow">http://will-self.com/2006/01/11/junky-by-william-s-burroughs-preface-to-the-penguin-2002-edition/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Osborne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;The Book Of Dave&#039; as Self&#039;s &#039;The Drowned World&#039;? Like Ballard, Self aways gives good value for money in interview situations - lots of nicely mordant wit and startling conceptual shifts thrown out casually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The Book Of Dave&#8217; as Self&#8217;s &#8216;The Drowned World&#8217;? Like Ballard, Self aways gives good value for money in interview situations &#8211; lots of nicely mordant wit and startling conceptual shifts thrown out casually.</p>
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		<title>By: Bosse de Nage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bosse de Nage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder if The Wind from Nowhere will  be discussed in Miracles of Life?</description>
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		<title>By: Bosse de Nage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bosse de Nage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will Self--I stopped after &#039;How the Dead Live&#039;, which was hilarious in parts but somewhat laboured. (A much better book in the same vein would be Alasdair Gray&#039;s &#039;Lanark&#039;).  I enjoyed &#039;My Idea of Fun&#039; immensely, quite possibly because at the time I was dossing on a couch in Exmouth, which is the mirror image of the dead town, with its endless arrays of caravans facing the sea, that Self describes. &#039;Grey Areas&#039; was a solid enough collection of short stories, although stopping short of the true Ballardian crystal.  But the latest novel just looks like too much hard work. It emanates a certain Martin Amis-ness... Guess I&#039;ll dig up the Boy-Toy collection sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will Self&#8211;I stopped after &#8216;How the Dead Live&#8217;, which was hilarious in parts but somewhat laboured. (A much better book in the same vein would be Alasdair Gray&#8217;s &#8216;Lanark&#8217;).  I enjoyed &#8216;My Idea of Fun&#8217; immensely, quite possibly because at the time I was dossing on a couch in Exmouth, which is the mirror image of the dead town, with its endless arrays of caravans facing the sea, that Self describes. &#8216;Grey Areas&#8217; was a solid enough collection of short stories, although stopping short of the true Ballardian crystal.  But the latest novel just looks like too much hard work. It emanates a certain Martin Amis-ness&#8230; Guess I&#8217;ll dig up the Boy-Toy collection sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Sellars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Sellars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Self &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ballardian.com/random-ballard-self-ballard-mashup&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;once said&lt;/a&gt; there are &#039;no jokes in [Ballard&#039;s] books at all, or at least not intentionally any jokes&#039;, which I found to be a bit of a hoot in itself. Anyone who describes the action of a woman masturbating as if she was &#039;rolling a ball of snot&#039; (as Ballard did in Crash) is pulling your leg, plain and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self <a href="http://www.ballardian.com/random-ballard-self-ballard-mashup" rel="nofollow">once said</a> there are &#8216;no jokes in [Ballard's] books at all, or at least not intentionally any jokes&#8217;, which I found to be a bit of a hoot in itself. Anyone who describes the action of a woman masturbating as if she was &#8216;rolling a ball of snot&#8217; (as Ballard did in Crash) is pulling your leg, plain and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Garrard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Garrard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As something of a Self-defender, I&#039;d recommend his short-stories over most of his longform stuff. He&#039;s a bit anti-narrative development really and his novels tend to swiftly (no pun intended) run out of steam. They&#039;re basically extended short stories, pitching in with a great concept at the start and devolving into repetition and thesaurus abuse.

His collection &#039;Quantity Theory of Insanity&#039; is especially strong, whilst &#039;tough tough toys for tough tough buys&#039; features some very Burroughsian drug skits. In terms of novels, &#039;How the dead live&#039; is, to my mind, the most emotionally grounded and coherent.

Self interviews Ballard to some length in the &#039;Junk Mail&#039; collection and is obviously a well-versed fan, so I wonder if his not mentioning &#039;the wind from Nowhere&#039; is in accordance with Ballard&#039;s tendency to strike that one from the record...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As something of a Self-defender, I&#8217;d recommend his short-stories over most of his longform stuff. He&#8217;s a bit anti-narrative development really and his novels tend to swiftly (no pun intended) run out of steam. They&#8217;re basically extended short stories, pitching in with a great concept at the start and devolving into repetition and thesaurus abuse.</p>
<p>His collection &#8216;Quantity Theory of Insanity&#8217; is especially strong, whilst &#8216;tough tough toys for tough tough buys&#8217; features some very Burroughsian drug skits. In terms of novels, &#8216;How the dead live&#8217; is, to my mind, the most emotionally grounded and coherent.</p>
<p>Self interviews Ballard to some length in the &#8216;Junk Mail&#8217; collection and is obviously a well-versed fan, so I wonder if his not mentioning &#8216;the wind from Nowhere&#8217; is in accordance with Ballard&#8217;s tendency to strike that one from the record&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: johnny strike</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnny strike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...parallel words that mutate out of our own or are latent with our own.&#039; just had to repeat that. it&#039;s soooo good.

i tried to read will self a couple of times and couldn&#039;t get into him. flawless taste tho. i&#039;d try something else, if anyone has any rec that they think approach the level of the ballard or burroughs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;parallel words that mutate out of our own or are latent with our own.&#8217; just had to repeat that. it&#8217;s soooo good.</p>
<p>i tried to read will self a couple of times and couldn&#8217;t get into him. flawless taste tho. i&#8217;d try something else, if anyone has any rec that they think approach the level of the ballard or burroughs</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Pennington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Pennington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Self is misguiding when he says it is hard to know when Ballard is writing tongue-in-cheek. I would not want to know, even if it were possible to tell - I just have to look a phrase like &quot;..an immense pathos surrounded the throttle..&quot; straight in the eye and agree. Othwerwise it will beat me up. Sorry, Will, it&#039;s all or nothing, mate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self is misguiding when he says it is hard to know when Ballard is writing tongue-in-cheek. I would not want to know, even if it were possible to tell &#8211; I just have to look a phrase like &#8220;..an immense pathos surrounded the throttle..&#8221; straight in the eye and agree. Othwerwise it will beat me up. Sorry, Will, it&#8217;s all or nothing, mate.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Osborne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good man, Self - always an interesting and articulate defender of Ballard ( and Burroughs&#039; work too). His apt description of Ballard&#039;s work, &quot;he&#039;s very much writing about parallel worlds that mutate out of our own or are latent with our own&quot;, is as good a comment on his own fiction as any I&#039;ve read.  I know Ballard is on record as an admirer of his work ... does anyone else out there like his stuff? &#039;Great Apes&#039;, for example, is positively Swiftian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good man, Self &#8211; always an interesting and articulate defender of Ballard ( and Burroughs&#8217; work too). His apt description of Ballard&#8217;s work, &#8220;he&#8217;s very much writing about parallel worlds that mutate out of our own or are latent with our own&#8221;, is as good a comment on his own fiction as any I&#8217;ve read.  I know Ballard is on record as an admirer of his work &#8230; does anyone else out there like his stuff? &#8216;Great Apes&#8217;, for example, is positively Swiftian.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Huntley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Huntley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have thought that the short stories would be the ideal place to start reading ballard. It&#039;s where I started (as a teeneager I discovered an old copy of &#039;The Fourth Dimensional Nightmare&#039; at my grandparents-it had presumably belonged to my father at some stage-and I never looked back). I mean anyone reading something like &#039;The man who walked on the moon&#039; would get an immediate sense of what a great writer he is...Perhaps Self knew that time was limited and so deliberately stuck to the novels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have thought that the short stories would be the ideal place to start reading ballard. It&#8217;s where I started (as a teeneager I discovered an old copy of &#8216;The Fourth Dimensional Nightmare&#8217; at my grandparents-it had presumably belonged to my father at some stage-and I never looked back). I mean anyone reading something like &#8216;The man who walked on the moon&#8217; would get an immediate sense of what a great writer he is&#8230;Perhaps Self knew that time was limited and so deliberately stuck to the novels.</p>
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